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It’s taking longer than we thought

About ten years ago, I was very taken with The Straight Dope, and every now and then – and against my better judgment – I go back and read it for old times’ sake.

The same things about the style of debate there that used to enchant me still enchant me – where else can you read well-argued positions both for and and against Objectivism, Free Will, Thomas Aquinas and why we should cut off the baby boomers?- and the things that frustrated me still frustrate the hell out of me.

My frustration this time revolves around how many atheists say that no amount of evidence would persuade them of the existence of God. Me? I’d be persuaded by even the slightest evidence.

On the enchanting side of the ledger, this thread about 25 reasons to not believe in God brings out the best in some Christian apologists.

Cecil himself is, of course, the master:

Also, do animals ever do it for fun?

As for your second question, we must point out that, scientifically speaking, animals always do it for fun. The only critters who do it because they have to are Catholics. Take it from your Unca Cecil.

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4 responses to It’s taking longer than we thought

julio February 28, 2009

as someone who falls on the “no amount of evidence will convince me” group, let me reassure you that you and I feel the same way. it’s a question of semantics. what my group and I mean is that we won’t take dreams, visions, and silhouettes on toasts as evidence. I know your group doesn’t either, we just say it differently.

i can assure you that my entire group, those who say “no evidence would be good enough” would change their mind if there was real, solid evidence. after all yours and my group *are* the rational ones.

Kevin February 28, 2009

The thread talked about for example all the stars in the night sky lining to say “hello, God here”. That would convince me.

So would raising the dead, water into wine and spontaneously healing leprosy. But there were people who said they would not accept any of those.

Clearly toast would be insufficient.

Are we still in different groups?

julio February 28, 2009

I think so. The groups are:

group 1 (yours): If there is strong evidence, I will capitulate
group 2 (mine): I won’t capitulate with alleged evidence

Matt March 1, 2009

If he reveals himself unambiguously, I hope those who previously believed get some sort of prize, like a special color to their halo, or some sort of magic pet they can show off. Then they’d be less likely to complain about FoTM believers and how much cooler it was back in the day before the flood of newbs.

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