Comments on: A Good Death https://www.raggedclown.com/2024/11/28/a-good-death/ forget about today until tomorrow Tue, 01 Sep 2026 18:34:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.3 By: Claire ATX https://www.raggedclown.com/2024/11/28/a-good-death/comment-page-1/#comment-102673 Sat, 07 Dec 2024 16:47:43 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=8419#comment-102673 In reply to Janet.

I love libraries and librarians! You are right!

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By: Janet https://www.raggedclown.com/2024/11/28/a-good-death/comment-page-1/#comment-102672 Sat, 07 Dec 2024 16:33:47 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=8419#comment-102672 In reply to Ragged Clown.

It is a risk I think I would be willing to take in exchange for the right to exercise free will under a law giving the ailing person the right to choose their path. If I have misjudged my family members and others who know me, that would be sad, but I would be willing to take that chance. And if some organization somehow connived or coerced me into taking the out sooner than I wanted…well, I think I am still willing to accept that risk. But I will continue to contemplate and read about it.

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By: Janet https://www.raggedclown.com/2024/11/28/a-good-death/comment-page-1/#comment-102671 Sat, 07 Dec 2024 16:21:39 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=8419#comment-102671 In reply to Claire ATX.

Another to look up, I shall read all three during these gloomy months and hope they bring additional clarity to my thinking on all of this. Thank you. You’d make a great librarian!

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By: Claire ATX https://www.raggedclown.com/2024/11/28/a-good-death/comment-page-1/#comment-102663 Sat, 07 Dec 2024 13:46:57 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=8419#comment-102663 In reply to Janet.

You are very welcome, Janet!

By the way, after I read How to Die, I was curious about Seneca’s life in Ancient Rome. So I read his biography, Dying Every Day by James Romm. It was a real page turner because those Romans would do anything, even to immediate family, to stay in power. Seneca’s actions are questioned in the book.

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By: Janet https://www.raggedclown.com/2024/11/28/a-good-death/comment-page-1/#comment-102662 Sat, 07 Dec 2024 13:19:46 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=8419#comment-102662 In reply to Claire ATX.

I will look up the Romm book, Claire, thanks for the recommendation.

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By: Ragged Clown https://www.raggedclown.com/2024/11/28/a-good-death/comment-page-1/#comment-102656 Sat, 07 Dec 2024 09:32:26 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=8419#comment-102656 In reply to Janet.

It should be easy to help those people who are ready to die without making it so easy that other people cannot be persuaded by family or culture or The System that it’s time for them to die. There’s a fundamental conflict there that is not going away.

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By: Claire ATX https://www.raggedclown.com/2024/11/28/a-good-death/comment-page-1/#comment-102653 Sat, 07 Dec 2024 06:55:07 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=8419#comment-102653 In reply to Janet.

You are welcome, Janet!

I highly recommend Romm’s book, How to Die, which actually focuses more on How to Live. It is a small book. It would be a quick read if it weren’t packed with such good ideas.

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By: Janet https://www.raggedclown.com/2024/11/28/a-good-death/comment-page-1/#comment-102651 Sat, 07 Dec 2024 05:49:44 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=8419#comment-102651 In reply to Claire ATX.

I am saving this, thanks for posting it here.

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By: Janet https://www.raggedclown.com/2024/11/28/a-good-death/comment-page-1/#comment-102650 Sat, 07 Dec 2024 05:46:22 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=8419#comment-102650 I live in Oregon and lived here when the “Death With Dignity” law was enacted. I also remember later, when the local newspaper published a series of lengthy articles with photographs documenting the decline and cancer death of Dr. Peter Rasmussen, the oncologist in my town who had worked on and promoted the law. It was fascinating in its candor and especially because he was able to talk about the law from the perspective of the dying person using the law he had helped create.
Since then I have been two degrees of separation from a few people who have died under the provisions of the law, have also been similarly related to some who wanted to use it but their ability to self administer evaporated unexpectedly or declined more quickly than expected and so were not able to. E.g., One night they were still able to lift something to their mouths and the next morning they could not, or one hour they could ask for assistance setting the final procedures in motion, the next hour they could not, or at breakfast they could carefully and slowly swallow a few sips of something, but by lunch they could not. For some, they waited too long to initiate the paperwork to set it up, or the multiple steps required took longer than they expected and they didn’t have everything in place yet at the time they could have or would have used it.

In order to pass the law in the first place, proponents had to make many concessions to opponents, so many that it is too restrictive for my liking. Attempts to broaden it or make it more accessible to people when they reach the very stage of their decline at which they have expected to ”want out” and do want out, have not been successful.

I am not ill. But I think about this a lot. I was greatly relieved to read about Canada’s law and the Swiss program, but I am not Canadian and I am still trying to figure out how I could get to Switzerland at just the right time in my decline —-far enough along that I don’t want to continue but early enough that I could make the trip.

Why can’t everyone be given a prescription for a lethal dose of morphine at the time of diagnosis and be left to fill it or not fill it at our discretion, to use with or without assistance? Some would choose to use it immediately, some would simply be happy to have it there for decades if they successfully pursued treatment or if their illness progressed slowly and without significant distress.
I know, there are many arguments to be made against that, all the “yeah, but what about”s. I haven’t read any that swayed me on this.

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By: Claire ATX https://www.raggedclown.com/2024/11/28/a-good-death/comment-page-1/#comment-102586 Sun, 01 Dec 2024 06:51:41 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=8419#comment-102586 In reply to Claire ATX.

Don Schlitz wrote this song when he was 23 years old:

You’ve got to know when to hold ’em
Know when to fold ’em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you’re sittin’ at the table
There’ll be time enough for countin’
When the dealin’s done

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