Comments on: Computers can know things https://www.raggedclown.com/2023/07/29/computers-can-know-things/ forget about today until tomorrow Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:26:32 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.2 By: Ragged Clown https://www.raggedclown.com/2023/07/29/computers-can-know-things/comment-page-1/#comment-99809 Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:26:32 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=6545#comment-99809 In reply to Ragged Clown.

Damasio is very good on how feelings, emotions and consciousness influence each other:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32335976-the-strange-order-of-things

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By: Ragged Clown https://www.raggedclown.com/2023/07/29/computers-can-know-things/comment-page-1/#comment-99807 Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:18:16 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=6545#comment-99807 In reply to Kevin Dudley.

I missed this reply before, Kev. Sorry!

I think my reply to Pat below covers it.

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By: Pat https://www.raggedclown.com/2023/07/29/computers-can-know-things/comment-page-1/#comment-99806 Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:11:39 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=6545#comment-99806 In reply to Ragged Clown.

Thanks!
The concept of artificial emotions is interesting. I suppose humans have a biological imperative (being “hangry”, for instance), and we “feel” the emotions. I’ll have to think more on this. See you and the group later. We should also have a T-shirt to go with the tagline.

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By: Ragged Clown https://www.raggedclown.com/2023/07/29/computers-can-know-things/comment-page-1/#comment-99805 Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:58:06 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=6545#comment-99805 In reply to Pat.

Hi Pat! Thanks for stopping by!

That’s an interesting take about Tyrion caring (maybe we can cover this at Café Philo tonight when we talk about The Self).

My initial reaction is that caring and knowing are different things. I can know something without caring about it, for example. The computer can too. The computer’s inability to care does not affect its ability to know.

My second thought is that computer scientists have focused so far on building
artificial intelligence. They haven’t tried building artificial emotions yet but one day they will and then computers will be able to care as well as think.

We should try to persuade Phil to adopt Tyrion’s phrase as a tagline for Café Philo “We drink and we know things.” See you tonight!

PS. I deleted the other comment. This one went through fine.

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By: Pat https://www.raggedclown.com/2023/07/29/computers-can-know-things/comment-page-1/#comment-99801 Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:33:59 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=6545#comment-99801 “I drink and I know things.” – Tyrion Lannister

I believe Tyrion drinks because too many of the things he knows suck.

The things he knows affect him emotionally. The facts and events and events he knows about have metaphysical meaning for him (meaning over and above their potential cause-and-effect), and in turn his emotions are affected by the metaphysical meaning he perceives. To salve his emotions, he drinks wine. This may have help by giving him wine goggles to change his perception, or give him the relief of forgetfulness.

TLDR: Tyrion differs from AI because he cares. His wellbeing is affected if he perceives what he cares about is in danger, and also affected if things suck in general. He self-medicates with wine to forget or to change his perception of the level of suckiness.

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By: Kevin Dudley https://www.raggedclown.com/2023/07/29/computers-can-know-things/comment-page-1/#comment-99686 Sat, 09 Sep 2023 12:58:51 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=6545#comment-99686 Human knowing of things is affected by emotion, therefore, perhaps is less trustworthy in the long run?

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By: Graham Lovitt https://www.raggedclown.com/2023/07/29/computers-can-know-things/comment-page-1/#comment-99404 Sat, 29 Jul 2023 17:43:08 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=6545#comment-99404 Great thought-provoking article Kevin.
Having designed computer programs to design the layouts of printed circuit boards in the 1960s, following heuristic methods employed by people working in a drafting office, the seeds of AI software were present 60 years ago. The human brain is the result of the natural selection of life that has the survival of the fittest and fortuitous accidents. AI in a short time has developed to equal or exceed the capability of a human brain in specific areas and this will continue to produce its own type of life form. There is no doubt that this could be very dangerous to biological life as we know it. Another possibility is that AI switches to creating new biological life form into a super or hyper level of intelligence. Exciting future ahead.

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By: Betty Maaskamp https://www.raggedclown.com/2023/07/29/computers-can-know-things/comment-page-1/#comment-99403 Sat, 29 Jul 2023 15:41:04 +0000 https://www.raggedclown.com/?p=6545#comment-99403 Very clearly explained and argued, Kevin. I agree and am worried about ethical consequences. I was therefore happy that the EU is thinking along those lines as well: https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/hr-topics/global-hr/pages/eu-passes-proposal-to-regulate-artificial-intelligence.aspx#:~:text=Even%20if%20the%20draft%20law,until%202026%20at%20the%20earliest.&text=Under%20the%20draft%20law%2C%20all,practices%20would%20face%20tougher%20scrutiny.

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