Comments on: The Promise https://www.raggedclown.com/2022/08/11/the-promise/ forget about today until tomorrow Sat, 13 Sep 2025 13:38:38 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1 By: Ragged Clown https://www.raggedclown.com/2022/08/11/the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-96974 Sun, 14 Aug 2022 15:57:53 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=3317#comment-96974 In reply to Clare.

Godspell is a tricky one! I remember it well from the 70s. It is very preachy. A lot of Christians don’t like it either as it’s a bit happy-clappy. Jesus Christ Superstar makes for an interesting comparison as it looks at the bible stories more critically (Tim Rice was an atheist). It’s also one of my favourite plays so I would have no qualms about performing that.

I find it interesting to compare English attitudes to religion with American attitudes. I doubt that Godspell could even be performed in an American public school, even though Americans are much more religious. English kids have a way of fudging the difference between religious and not religious where Americans are more likely to be all or nothing one way or the other. I’m still bummed that my kids never sang Little Donkey at Christmas or got to dress as a shepherd at the manger as I did in primary school.

Brava to Camilla for making a difficult choice.

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By: Clare https://www.raggedclown.com/2022/08/11/the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-96973 Sun, 14 Aug 2022 12:55:31 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=3317#comment-96973 Thank you for this thoughtful post. I remember feeling extremely uncomfortable at school in the US whenever we had the pledge of allegiance. Both the patriotic devotion and religious assertion jarred on me.
Camilla recently auditioned and received a place in next year’s production with our county youth musical theatre group but we just learned they are performing Godspell. This seems a very odd choice, especially for British teenagers. It’s extremely preachy and presents moral lessons in a way that I think even most many of my Christian friends would find dated and uncomfortable. I’m an atheist myself, yet I do sing sacred music and sing in places of worship. And I do and say as others do there as a mark of respect.
However, there’s a big difference between choosing to go to church, and being made to sing and speak fervently about religious beliefs when choosing to participate in a fun secular activity. This musical comes across like an evangelical youth bible camp! Camilla has decided for herself that it wasn’t for her.

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By: Ragged Clown https://www.raggedclown.com/2022/08/11/the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-96964 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 11:21:36 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=3317#comment-96964 In reply to Rosa May.

It was the first day of Junior school and they changed the position of our hands when we said the Lord’s Prayer. Infants say it with their palms together and fingers straight. Juniors have to intertwine their fingers. That was the point where I realised they were just making it all up.

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By: Kevin Lawrence https://www.raggedclown.com/2022/08/11/the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-96963 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 08:12:01 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=3317#comment-96963 In reply to johnboy France.

Thank you, Johnboy.

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By: johnboy France https://www.raggedclown.com/2022/08/11/the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-96961 Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:29:44 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=3317#comment-96961 Hello Kevin
Thank you for your expertise on smart Patients.
I over the moon with your recent treatment went well.
May you continue to make good progress.
Both of my children were in the Marine Cadets; they look back on that period with Pride.
I personally am agnostic, not atheist, I was not aware that atheists could not join these groups, I must admit it, surprises me, some atheists are people of real conviction, I see am amazing loss of resources, then again that’s me.

Anyway, my friend your writing is a pleasure and for your commitment to smartpatients I thank you, it’s important to a lot of people.

Bonne courage
Johnboy France

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By: Rosa May https://www.raggedclown.com/2022/08/11/the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-96960 Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:24:42 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=3317#comment-96960 Interesting read!
Just curious Kevin, why you chose my 14th birthday to stop believing in God?
For me it was a gradual process starting from the age of 4 or 5 ….

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By: Ragged Clown https://www.raggedclown.com/2022/08/11/the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-96959 Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:56:13 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=3317#comment-96959 OFF TOPIC: WordPress changed something recently that disables comments on new posts. I turn them back on but sometimes I forget.

SHORT VERSION: If you wanted to comment on the last few posts but couldn’t, now you can.

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By: Ragged Clown https://www.raggedclown.com/2022/08/11/the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-96958 Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:54:33 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=3317#comment-96958 In reply to Sleuth.

That’s interesting, Sleuth.

‘Spiritual’ is one of those tricky words that means different things to different people. A lot of atheists won’t use it to describe themselves because they take it to mean ‘belief in spirits’. I don’t agree with that definition.

I’m fine using ‘spiritual’ to mean Mother Nature or Serendipity or, my favourite, The Call of the Wild. I definitely hear that call about now. I’m spiritual.

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By: Ragged Clown https://www.raggedclown.com/2022/08/11/the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-96957 Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:49:54 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=3317#comment-96957 In reply to Chris Brooks.

That’s brilliant, Chris! Almost as good as the Sea Cadets deciding that ‘God’ means the same as ‘God or no god’.

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By: Sleuth https://www.raggedclown.com/2022/08/11/the-promise/comment-page-1/#comment-96956 Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:43:33 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=3317#comment-96956 Members of my family are declared atheists, but they are nevertheless « spiritual » in that they believe there’s « something” that keeps the earth spinning, the flowers to grow, the seasons to change, to make us want to do good, to be the best we can be. Call it Mother Nature, the Call of the Wild, the Universe, the Ancestors, Serendipity, the Force, the Mystery, whatever.

That works for me if that works for them. Whether one believes in an old man with a long grey beard and wild hair, thunderbolts in one hand, sheaves of wheat in the other, clouds emanating from his presence, many find their compass and their guide in the same general way.

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