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	<description>It's just a shadow you're seeing that he's chasing...</description>
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		<title>By: Ragged Clown :: Adeste Adoremus</title>
		<link>http://www.raggedclown.com/2007/11/29/songs-of-praise/#comment-5409</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragged Clown :: Adeste Adoremus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Groggy Swag and I were having a pleasant chat in the comments to my post on Songs of Praise about whether it is appropriate for an atheist to sing Carols or say Grace. There are some [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.raggedclown.com/2007/11/29/songs-of-praise/#comment-4979</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh - your comments were stuck in my spam filter. odd.

I am fine w/ grace. I'll even say amen. I could probably even muster up some humanistic words of gratitude if the occasion called for it. Wouldn't enjoy it though.

Have never been called on to pledge allegiance although I did promise to serve my God, the queen, the Commonwealth and the Sea Cadet Corps on several occasions. To the 14 yr old who said them, they were just words. I wouldn't say them now.

I'd happily swear on the bible. It's the thought that counts and I am a sucker for tradition.

I went to church nearly every Sunday for several years after we got married. I enjoyed hearing what The Bish had to say. He was a good speaker. Still enjoy going to church when the occasion calls for it.

Never received communion. Never felt pressure to do so. Contrarian that I am, if I were forced to go to church, I would refuse.

At my girlfriend's funeral in Malta, I was invited to deliver the Salt and Vinegar (whatever it was) to the priest. I felt very self conscious and had to decide whether to wave my hands around in cross-like gestures and whether to genuflect when I crossed the aisle like I had noticed everyone else doing. I decided I would not. I simply nodded my head respectfully when I handed over the Holy Condiments.

When asked what I believe, I too hold my head high and pronounce my creed in a loud clear voice. It feels good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh - your comments were stuck in my spam filter. odd.</p>
<p>I am fine w/ grace. I&#8217;ll even say amen. I could probably even muster up some humanistic words of gratitude if the occasion called for it. Wouldn&#8217;t enjoy it though.</p>
<p>Have never been called on to pledge allegiance although I did promise to serve my God, the queen, the Commonwealth and the Sea Cadet Corps on several occasions. To the 14 yr old who said them, they were just words. I wouldn&#8217;t say them now.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d happily swear on the bible. It&#8217;s the thought that counts and I am a sucker for tradition.</p>
<p>I went to church nearly every Sunday for several years after we got married. I enjoyed hearing what The Bish had to say. He was a good speaker. Still enjoy going to church when the occasion calls for it.</p>
<p>Never received communion. Never felt pressure to do so. Contrarian that I am, if I were forced to go to church, I would refuse.</p>
<p>At my girlfriend&#8217;s funeral in Malta, I was invited to deliver the Salt and Vinegar (whatever it was) to the priest. I felt very self conscious and had to decide whether to wave my hands around in cross-like gestures and whether to genuflect when I crossed the aisle like I had noticed everyone else doing. I decided I would not. I simply nodded my head respectfully when I handed over the Holy Condiments.</p>
<p>When asked what I believe, I too hold my head high and pronounce my creed in a loud clear voice. It feels good.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Groggy Swagg</title>
		<link>http://www.raggedclown.com/2007/11/29/songs-of-praise/#comment-4969</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Groggy Swagg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think the fliers would be a bad thing.  I whole-heartedly agree also that Christmas is a cultural part of America, especially the shopping part.  None of the Christmas themed decor of the season bothers me at all.  Nor do the Hanuka symbols.  I am even tempted to get a tree myself, though I would want it black with red ornaments and lights.  

There are some religious things that are ingrained into our daily lives that do bug me.  What do you do when you sit at a dinner table and someone says grace?  I usually *look* down and stay quiet (no amen).  What would you do if you were *asked* to say grace?  I know that I would politely refuse.  When saying the Pledge of Allegiance in school, did you skip the "Under God" line like me?  In a courtroom, what book does an atheist get to swear on?  Would you endure it with a bible?  Have you ever attended church with someone for some reason or another just to be respectful?  I did for the last time about 9 years ago.  It was terrible.  They made everyone march in front of the minister and take the bread wafer and if you refused (like I did) they said out loud, "Are you sure?"  The common theme to these is that I am expected by social norms to participate and I cannot in good conscious do so.  

Do to the nature of these conversations we have had though, I have changed my posture on what I believe.  I no longer answer the question, "What do you believe in," with a meek response.  I now hold my head high and state my belief and I never worry about who hears it.  A change for the better I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the fliers would be a bad thing.  I whole-heartedly agree also that Christmas is a cultural part of America, especially the shopping part.  None of the Christmas themed decor of the season bothers me at all.  Nor do the Hanuka symbols.  I am even tempted to get a tree myself, though I would want it black with red ornaments and lights.  </p>
<p>There are some religious things that are ingrained into our daily lives that do bug me.  What do you do when you sit at a dinner table and someone says grace?  I usually *look* down and stay quiet (no amen).  What would you do if you were *asked* to say grace?  I know that I would politely refuse.  When saying the Pledge of Allegiance in school, did you skip the &#8220;Under God&#8221; line like me?  In a courtroom, what book does an atheist get to swear on?  Would you endure it with a bible?  Have you ever attended church with someone for some reason or another just to be respectful?  I did for the last time about 9 years ago.  It was terrible.  They made everyone march in front of the minister and take the bread wafer and if you refused (like I did) they said out loud, &#8220;Are you sure?&#8221;  The common theme to these is that I am expected by social norms to participate and I cannot in good conscious do so.  </p>
<p>Do to the nature of these conversations we have had though, I have changed my posture on what I believe.  I no longer answer the question, &#8220;What do you believe in,&#8221; with a meek response.  I now hold my head high and state my belief and I never worry about who hears it.  A change for the better I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.raggedclown.com/2007/11/29/songs-of-praise/#comment-4931</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They were all gone by 9:30. I took all the kiwis.</description>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Fredrick</title>
		<link>http://www.raggedclown.com/2007/11/29/songs-of-praise/#comment-4930</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Fredrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably because everyone took one, right?  Like the kiwis?</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.raggedclown.com/2007/11/29/songs-of-praise/#comment-4926</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should read: "How do you do a &#60;rolls eyes&#62; smiley?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should read: &#8220;How do you do a &lt;rolls eyes&gt; smiley?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.raggedclown.com/2007/11/29/songs-of-praise/#comment-4925</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you do a  smiley?</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.raggedclown.com/2007/11/29/songs-of-praise/#comment-4923</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>epilogue: The flyers are gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>epilogue: The flyers are gone.</p>
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