Comments on: Atheists for Jesus http://www.raggedclown.com/2006/12/27/atheists-for-jesus/ It's just a shadow you're seeing that he's chasing... Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:02:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Bob http://www.raggedclown.com/2006/12/27/atheists-for-jesus/#comment-736 Bob Sat, 13 Jan 2007 21:16:27 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=227#comment-736 Forsooth, I should have done my research. Amen, Brother. Forsooth, I should have done my research. Amen, Brother.

]]> By: Kevin http://www.raggedclown.com/2006/12/27/atheists-for-jesus/#comment-732 Kevin Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:15:01 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=227#comment-732 Common English translations of the word amen include: "Verily", "Truly", "So be it", and "Let it be". Common English translations of the word amen include: “Verily”, “Truly”, “So be it”, and “Let it be”.

]]> By: Bob http://www.raggedclown.com/2006/12/27/atheists-for-jesus/#comment-727 Bob Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:30:25 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=227#comment-727 Oh, and as to the "Amen, Brother", next your going to say that you say "Bless you" while being an atheist too ;-) Oh, and as to the “Amen, Brother”, next your going to say that you say “Bless you” while being an atheist too ;-)

]]> By: Bob http://www.raggedclown.com/2006/12/27/atheists-for-jesus/#comment-726 Bob Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:28:53 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=227#comment-726 The movie Dogma has an appropriate line about people taking some good ideas and making it into some concrete thing when they were only useful as good ideas - -referring to modern religions of course. The Gospels in the new testament would seem to totally defy a lot of the rest of the bible if looked at from the type of life that Jesus advocated. The problem to me, as usually is the case, is that some large percentage of people seem too busy to think it through themselves, and they also happen to be bad at picking people to trust on those subjects. Coupled of course with Aaron's comments about power and corruption. Another problem occurs when people think that these ideas which are part of their moral code can't exist outside of that system. I think that is called a part-whole fallacy. The movie Dogma has an appropriate line about people taking some good ideas and making it into some concrete thing when they were only useful as good ideas - -referring to modern religions of course.

The Gospels in the new testament would seem to totally defy a lot of the rest of the bible if looked at from the type of life that Jesus advocated. The problem to me, as usually is the case, is that some large percentage of people seem too busy to think it through themselves, and they also happen to be bad at picking people to trust on those subjects. Coupled of course with Aaron’s comments about power and corruption.

Another problem occurs when people think that these ideas which are part of their moral code can’t exist outside of that system. I think that is called a part-whole fallacy.

]]> By: Jeffrey Fredrick http://www.raggedclown.com/2006/12/27/atheists-for-jesus/#comment-647 Jeffrey Fredrick Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:04:30 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=227#comment-647 Maybe it is just that I read the two of these about the same time, but your blog entry reminded me of this one: http://xndev.blogspot.com/2006/12/against-systems.html Or to think of other recent rants, is the problem that religions are an attempt to encode "<a href="http://jchyip.blogspot.com/search/label/best%20practice" rel="nofollow">best practices</a>"? Maybe it is just that I read the two of these about the same time, but your blog entry reminded me of this one:

http://xndev.blogspot.com/2006/12/against-systems.html

Or to think of other recent rants, is the problem that religions are an attempt to encode “best practices“?

]]> By: Aaron Rhodes http://www.raggedclown.com/2006/12/27/atheists-for-jesus/#comment-646 Aaron Rhodes Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:34:14 +0000 http://www.raggedclown.com/?p=227#comment-646 I am starting to come around to your idea that it should be moderates vs. extremists, not religion vs. non. I have always agreed that some of the ideas the bible laid out were honorable in intent, but the effect thus far has been fairly disasterous. I am sure that the problem largely stems from the fact that people enjoy power over other people, and an easily mis-interpretable text from a supposed infallable source is a pretty good opportunity for that. I am starting to come around to your idea that it should be moderates vs. extremists, not religion vs. non. I have always agreed that some of the ideas the bible laid out were honorable in intent, but the effect thus far has been fairly disasterous. I am sure that the problem largely stems from the fact that people enjoy power over other people, and an easily mis-interpretable text from a supposed infallable source is a pretty good opportunity for that.

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